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Wayland-suck.md

Why Wayland suck ?

Note : This gist will be way less moderated than the orginal gist by probonopd until there is spam, leak of personal info or anything really bad. Diversity of opinion is allowed. And I am still new to Linux.

Problems of Wayland IMO :

  • The wayland dev mentality of your software being broken instead of Wayland fixing their software.
  • Left wing political BS
  • Political Code of Conduct
  • Wayland break a lot of apps
  • The Wayland security model is too opiniated and too strict which break too much software.
  • Wayland being forced on people
  • The lack of standard implementation : it is only a protocol, each de or compositor have their own implementation
  • Some Wayland compositor like Hyprland have a performance issue on Virtual Machine
  • GDM which is required by GNOME and who use Wayland can take for ever to load up and require systemd
  • Reliance on Red Hat tech like pipewire and systemd
  • Made for Linux primarly which defeat the purpose of POISX and UNIX
  • No full Desktop X11-like Forwarding
  • The forced used of Portal which make Wayland annoying to use and feel like i am using a lockdown phone instead of a computer
  • Maybe a lot of other technical detail I don't know since I am still new to Linux ...
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The Solution : XLibre

Or it is ?

More info about XLibre here : X11Libre GitHub page

Why XLibre

  • apolitical (not woke)
  • updated codebase
  • new feature
  • not stopped by any Big Tech or organisation or group
  • no weaponised code of conduct or term of service
  • no discriminotary DEI
  • All the benefit and function of X11
  • Work for all DE or WM that support xorg (but may not have official support)
  • Better Nvidia support
  • Easily installed on a lot of distro with package by XLibre themself see Packaging for Distributions #404

Why not XLibre

  • still using old X Server technology
  • some distrubtion may be against or not support XLibre which might make the installation harder for new user
  • still quite recent so might not be as stable as X11
  • x11 issue might need some workaround or patch which could break at any time or not be as viable
  • still contains most of x11 disadvantages
  • X Window Manager are often less Eye Candy than Wayland Compositors like Hyprland

Consideration

  • no native HDR support
  • trackpad support still less great than wayland

See technical discussion on the original gist (not made by me and still out of my knowledge for now, so i could not anwser to you)

If you disagree or have comment i will love to read them.

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NexusSfan commented Oct 23, 2025

and my definition is diversity of opinion, choice, liberty (no tooo much authoritarian), freedom of speech (but not without consequence and not cancel culture b$)

so in software if i can fork the code, inspect the code, redistribute and modify the code then for me it is freedom enought, it does not matter if i can't abuse the software like google have done with linux to create android and chrome os.

in other word for me freedom is the synonym of liberty not the strict definition of the fsf.

No, the FSF stands for liberty, not OSI or FUTO.
Google has the rights to use the Linux kernel under the GPL for Android and ChromeOS?
Obviously, you have never read a text by RMS.

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xgui4 commented Oct 24, 2025

well i disagree that what gooolag have done

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LooneKirk commented Oct 24, 2025 •
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is once again LARPing as a FOSS advocate while being Microsoft's proudest soldier.

My definition of freedom is defined by the FSF.

and my definition is diversity of opinion, choice, liberty (no tooo much authoritarian), freedom of speech (but not without consequence and not cancel culture b$)

so in software if i can fork the code, inspect the code, redistribute and modify the code then for me it is freedom enough

It's incredible how one person can contradict himself so much.

"My definition of freedom in regards of software is different than the FSF's, it's about opinions and speech and whatever bs the grifters I spend all day watching instead of being a productive member of society are selling me, but also FUTO which literally violates my own definition is actually respecting my freedom".

Don't come crying to us when FUTO inevitably goes under and starts suing people over their bullshit license that doesn't define shit right and has not been tested in court. Your "fork" can also be considered "commercial" and violate their license if you dare to replace their donation links. Don't forget to say "thank you Mr rossmann" after you finish licking his boots, .

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LooneKirk commented Oct 24, 2025 •
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Oh what's this little? https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/115418530488528338

FUTO getting caught once again donating a small sum of money to open source projects like musl and then using their logo on their website as part of FOSSwashing their money laundering organization.

You are not allowed to remove their donation links but they are allowed to tell the world that your project endorses them on their website without your consent.

Frankly they are worse than most companies that abuse open source because even they have morals to not make up fake endorsements from the people they are taking advantage of.

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xgui4 commented Oct 24, 2025 •
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this is off topic, this gist is about wayland not about futo and i dont believe what the wokes said on mastodon or bleusky, these are echo chamber of delusions

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NexusSfan commented Oct 24, 2025

this is off topic

This gist will be way less moderated than the orginal gist by probonopd

i dont believe what the wokes said on mastodon or bleusky, these are echo chamber of delusions

All political polarization is bad.

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xgui4 commented Oct 24, 2025

@LooneKirk and @NexusSfan stop leaking my info this is not funny. and i cant delete that old account and not i no longer use gnome and fedora now, now it is endeavouros

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xgui4 commented Oct 24, 2025 •
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this is off topic

This gist will be way less moderated than the orginal gist by probonopd

I did not said off-topic was allowed

i dont believe what the wokes said on mastodon or bleusky, these are echo chamber of delusions

All political polarization is bad.

this is not political polarization , it is just not believing the crazy far left lunatic

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NexusSfan commented Oct 24, 2025

@LooneKirk and @NexusSfan stop leaking my info this is not funny. and i cant delete that old account and not i no longer use gnome and fedora now, now it is endeavouros

Didn't you log into it and remove your name? Which still shows on git commits

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xgui4 commented Oct 24, 2025

@LooneKirk and @NexusSfan stop leaking my info this is not funny. and i cant delete that old account and not i no longer use gnome and fedora now, now it is endeavouros

Didn't you log into it and remove your name? Which still shows on git commits

these commit are old and i have try to delete the account it still seem to stay here ... and i dont approve the use of my name

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NexusSfan commented Oct 24, 2025

these commit are old and i have try to delete the account it still seem to stay here ... and i dont approve the use of my name

You literally just deleted the account.

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xgui4 commented Oct 24, 2025

oh ... last time it did not work

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NexusSfan commented Oct 24, 2025

more xlibre on hurd coming soon btw

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xgui4 commented Oct 24, 2025

great !!!!

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and i dont believe what the wokes said on mastodon or bleusky, these are echo chamber of delusions

Literally the musl developer's personal account, sorry I forgot you only believe what snakeoil salesmen sell you

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xgui4 commented Oct 24, 2025 •
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then ok, but i still see extreme bias from that link, like buzzword like fascist who litterally mean nothing these days .... i stop reading to save my mental health ... i can't stand Drew Devault, and I still have no change my opinion on FUTO after reading this ,now can we go back on the x11 vs wayland situatiion please ? else i might block you

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NexusSfan commented Oct 29, 2025

i stop reading to save my mental health

My mental health doesn't degrade from your messages.

i can't stand Drew Devault

I don't like him either.

and I still have no change my opinion on FUTO after reading this ,now can we go back on the x11 vs wayland situatiion please ? else i might block you

XLibre-the-savior.md

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xgui4 commented Oct 29, 2025 •
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i stop reading to save my mental health

My mental health doesn't degrade from your messages.

i mean the language of the far left is very hard to understand and decode and they keep keep saying everyone is "fascist" really hard for my brain while keeping my sanity

i can't stand Drew Devault

I don't like him either.

only far leftist like him.

and I still have no change my opinion on FUTO after reading this ,now can we go back on the x11 vs wayland situatiion please ? else i might block you

XLibre-the-savior.md

i still stand of XLibre being a great and important project as it safe and update x11 while being not woke.

i was replying to loomduke/loonkirk ... i didn't said i will block you @NexusSfan on that message

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NexusSfan commented Oct 29, 2025

i was replying to loomduke/loonkirk ...

Wait what? You were replying to Lunduke?

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i stop reading to save my mental health

My mental health doesn't degrade from your messages.

This is typical [censored] behavior where he says bullshit and when you prove him wrong he "doesn't want to read that to save his mental health". He does it all the time.

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i was replying to loomduke/loonkirk ...

Wait what? You were replying to Lunduke?

no , to the kde "guy"

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i stop reading to save my mental health

My mental health doesn't degrade from your messages.

This is typical [censored] behavior where he says bullshit and when you prove him wrong he "doesn't want to read that to save his mental health". He does it all the time.

no, i just try to read it but it was tooo hard of a far left language with buzzword like "fascist" everywhere i had to stop, because i could not stand that language and name-calling/labeling espcially of a corporation and people, and btw there are lgbtq++ clippy out there , i dont think the real nazi will support that ...

and last time, if you keep leaking my name i will block you

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NexusSfan commented Oct 29, 2025

and btw there are lgbtq++ clippy out there , i dont think the real nazi will support that ...

I don't remember seeing this on this thread.

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xgui4 commented Oct 29, 2025

i mean on YT

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NexusSfan commented Oct 29, 2025

i mean on YT

Where?

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xgui4 commented Oct 29, 2025

the comment section. their pfp have these flags .... or other political propaganda.

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NexusSfan commented Oct 30, 2025

Wayland meets Wikipedia editors.

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