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Here's a comprehensive overview of ebike battery designs — especially relevant for your Omera frame project.

Cell Types: 21700 vs 18650

The industry has largely moved to 21700 cells for new builds. They're 50% larger in volume than 18650s but pack up to 45% more energy density, meaning more range with fewer cells and better heat management. em3ev

Spec	18650	21700
Diameter	18mm	21mm
Height	65mm	70mm
Max capacity	~3,500 mAh	~5,000 mAh
Weight	~48g	~70g
Best for	Compact builds, legacy packs	New builds, higher range batterydesign

Battery Placement Approaches

Downtube Integrated (Most Relevant for Omera)

The battery pack sits inside an oversized downtube, typically accommodating 40–60 cells. This is the cleanest look — the battery is invisible. Modern frames like Giant's EnergyPak use a removable cartridge that slides in/out through the bottom of the DT. This is why we discussed going to a 50mm DT for Omera — a standard 42mm DT can't fit 21700 cells (21mm diameter × 2 rows = 42mm bare minimum, no room for BMS/wiring). myvelo

Downtube External Mount

Battery bolts to the outside of the downtube using rivnuts or braze-on bosses. Common for conversions. Looks less clean but simpler to engineer. A 48V 25Ah pack with 65× 21700 cells comes pre-shaped in a downtube profile. yosepower.co

Triangle Bag/Pack

A custom-shaped battery fills the front triangle, held by a frame bag or custom cradle. Maximizes capacity (85+ cells possible) but looks bulky. Good for range-focused builds. twowheellifestyle

In-Tube Stealth

Cells are packed directly inside the frame tubes — split across top tube, seat tube, and down tube. Extremely stealthy but hard to service, limited capacity (~20 cells), and structurally risky since you're drilling access holes. forums.electricbikereview

What This Means for Omera

For a clean fixed-gear-style ebike, the best approach is downtube integrated with a removable cartridge:

DT outer diameter: 55–60mm (up from Detroit's 42mm) to fit 21700 cells in a 2-wide or 3-wide arrangement
Configuration: 13S3P (48V, ~15Ah, 720Wh) = 39× 21700 cells — fits in a ~55mm × 400mm downtube cavity
BMS: 40A continuous, UL 2271 certified for US/California compliance bev-intl
Access: Bottom-load at BB junction or side-load panel
Weight: ~2.8kg for the pack alone

The 2026 California regulation (SB 1271) now requires UL 2849 or UL 2271 certification on all ebike batteries, so designing around a certified battery pack from the start avoids costly redesigns later. bev-intl

Want me to calculate the exact cell layout dimensions for the Omera downtube, or look into specific off-the-shelf battery packs that could fit?

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eonist commented Mar 12, 2026

Exactly — that’s the killer UX.

The battery has its own USB‑C PD port on the aluminium endcap, with gasket/weather seal.
User can:
- Pull the battery, throw it in a bag, and charge it like a laptop with their existing MacBook charger.
- Or plug the same charger straight into the port while the battery is in the bike.

No proprietary charger, no wall‑wart hassle, no “ebike brick” to carry. Just USB‑C PD, which fits perfectly with the modular cell cage: you refresh cells, keep the same aluminium shell + USB‑C module for the life of the bike.

Do you want to design that aluminium endcap next (USB‑C position, gasket, screw pattern), or sketch how the printed cage interfaces with it mechanically?

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eonist commented Mar 12, 2026

Think of the printed cage as a drop‑in cassette that holds 20 cells and bolts to the aluminium endcap.

Overall form

Profile: rounded rectangle, sized to slide inside the DT’s inner cavity (≈55×50mm).
Length: ~350mm to match the 4×5 cell grid (5 cells long × 70mm).
Ends:
- Front end: flat, with four screw bosses that bolt into the aluminium endcap.
- Rear end: simple closed grid or a second support ring to keep cells constrained.

Internal cell layout (4×5)

Imagine a honeycomb:

4 cells across the width, 5 cells along the length.
Each cell sits in a cylindrical pocket with:
- Diameter ~21.8–22.0mm (21.0mm cell + ~0.5mm wrap + tolerance).
- 0.5–1.0mm plastic walls between pockets.
Small axial ribs between rows so the whole thing acts like a ladder: stiff but light.

Side view:

Bottom “floor” with shallow half-moons to support cell bottoms.
Top “ceiling” grid (or straps) that snaps over cells to prevent rattling.
Air gap between outer of cage and steel DT wall for cooling and tolerance.

How it interfaces with the aluminium battery head

At the front (endcap) side:

The aluminium block contains:
- USB‑C PD jack.
- BMS + charge electronics.
- Main output terminals.
The printed cage:
- Has four through-holes that line up with tapped holes in the aluminium head.
- Slides over alignment pins or a shallow tongue‑and‑groove for anti-twist.
- Presents two bus bars (positive and negative) at the front, where nickel strips from the cells terminate and bolt/clamp into the BMS board.

So to assemble:

Spot-weld/nickel the 4×5 cells into a 10S2P network on the bench.
Drop the welded cell block into the printed cage pockets.
Close with the top lattice/strap if you use one.
Slide the cage onto the aluminium head so the bus bars land in their terminals.
Bolt cage to head with four M3 screws.
Slide the whole cartridge into the DT and close the laser-cut steel cover.

Features to add

Finger cutouts along the sides so you can grab the cassette when pulled from the DT.
Drain slots in the plastic at the rear end so any condensation can escape, not pool under cells.
Cable channel molded along one side to carry the thin torque‑sensor wire and light wires separate from the cells.
Small label recess on one side for cell map, polarity diagram, and warning text.

If you want, I can describe this as a simple pseudo‑CAD spec (key dimensions, wall thicknesses, clearances) so you can prototype it quickly in Fusion/Onshape/OpenSCAD.

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eonist commented Mar 13, 2026

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eonist commented Mar 13, 2026

Here's the scaffold file . It's not a solid block — it's a minimal skeleton:

What's in the scaffold

4 thin-walled pocket tubes (1.5mm walls) in the 2×2 grid — cells slide in and out along the length.
Cross ribs connecting adjacent tubes at every cell boundary (every 70mm) — structural bridges, not solid fills.
End rings at front and back — a hull around all 4 pockets with holes cut out. These are the structural frames that hold the shape.
Mid rings at each 70mm interval — same ring profile, keeps everything rigid along the length.
Retention clips at the entry end — small inward lip so cells don't slide out on their own.
Ghost cells shown transparent blue so you can see where cells sit (preview only, not printed).

Design intent

Cells slide in from one end like loading a magazine.
Minimal plastic: just tubes + ribs + rings. Most of the interior is air.
The whole scaffold glues or bolts onto the aluminium endcap at the front face.
Cross ribs act like a ladder/honeycomb — stiff but light.

Drop it into OpenSCAD and let me know what needs adjusting — spacing, wall thickness, clip design, etc.

// Omera 21700 battery scaffold cage
// Minimal plastic structure to hold 4×5 cells (2×2 cross-section)
// Cells slide in/out along the tube axis

// ---------- PARAMETERS ----------
cell_d       = 21;         // 21700 cell diameter
cell_len     = 70;         // 21700 cell length
cell_clear   = 0.5;        // radial clearance per cell
pocket_d     = cell_d + cell_clear;  // ~21.5mm

rows         = 5;          // cells along the length
cage_L       = rows * cell_len;  // 350mm

// 2×2 grid offsets from center
a = 11;   // X offset
b = 11;   // Y offset

// Scaffold parameters
wall         = 1.5;        // plastic wall thickness
rib_w        = 1.5;        // width of cross-ribs
ring_w       = 3;          // width of end rings
clip_arc     = 30;         // degrees of clip arc at cell entry
rail_h       = 2;          // height of longitudinal rails

// Cage outer envelope (for reference, not printed solid)
cage_w       = 53;
cage_h       = 48;

$fn = 48;

// ---------- MODULES ----------

// Single cell pocket tube (thin-walled cylinder)
module pocket_tube(len) {
    difference() {
        cylinder(d = pocket_d + 2*wall, h = len);
        translate([0, 0, -1])
            cylinder(d = pocket_d, h = len + 2);
    }
}

// Cross rib between two adjacent pockets (connects them structurally)
module cross_rib(p1, p2, z_pos) {
    dx = p2[0] - p1[0];
    dy = p2[1] - p1[1];
    ang = atan2(dy, dx);
    dist = sqrt(dx*dx + dy*dy);
    mid = [(p1[0]+p2[0])/2, (p1[1]+p2[1])/2];

    translate([mid[0], mid[1], z_pos])
        rotate([0, 0, ang])
            translate([0, 0, 0])
                cube([dist - pocket_d, rib_w, rib_w], center=true);
}

// Retention clip: small inward nub at channel opening
module retention_clip(pos, z_pos) {
    translate([pos[0], pos[1], z_pos])
        difference() {
            cylinder(d = pocket_d + 2*wall + 1, h = 2);
            translate([0, 0, -1])
                cylinder(d = pocket_d - 0.5, h = 4);
        }
}

// End ring (structural ring at each end)
module end_ring(z_pos) {
    translate([0, 0, z_pos])
        linear_extrude(height = ring_w)
            difference() {
                // outer boundary: hull around all 4 pocket circles
                hull() {
                    for (x = [-a, a])
                        for (y = [-b, b])
                            translate([x, y])
                                circle(d = pocket_d + 2*wall + 2);
                }
                // subtract pocket holes
                for (x = [-a, a])
                    for (y = [-b, b])
                        translate([x, y])
                            circle(d = pocket_d);
            }
}

// Longitudinal rail (connects pocket tubes along length)
module long_rail(x_off, y_off, z_side) {
    translate([x_off, y_off + z_side * (pocket_d/2 + wall), 0])
        cube([rail_h, wall, cage_L]);
}

// ---------- ASSEMBLY ----------

// Cell positions
positions = [
    [-a,  b],   // top-left
    [ a,  b],   // top-right
    [-a, -b],   // bottom-left
    [ a, -b],   // bottom-right
];

// Adjacency pairs for cross ribs
pairs = [
    [0, 1],  // top-left to top-right
    [2, 3],  // bottom-left to bottom-right
    [0, 2],  // top-left to bottom-left
    [1, 3],  // top-right to bottom-right
];

module battery_scaffold() {
    // 1. Four pocket tubes (thin-walled cylinders)
    for (pos = positions)
        translate([pos[0], pos[1], 0])
            pocket_tube(cage_L);

    // 2. Cross ribs at each cell boundary (every 70mm)
    for (i = [0 : rows])
        for (pair = pairs)
            cross_rib(positions[pair[0]], positions[pair[1]], i * cell_len);

    // 3. End rings (front and back)
    end_ring(0);
    end_ring(cage_L - ring_w);

    // 4. Mid rings (every 70mm for stiffness)
    for (i = [1 : rows - 1])
        end_ring(i * cell_len - ring_w/2);

    // 5. Retention clips at entry end
    for (pos = positions)
        retention_clip(pos, cage_L - 1);
}

// Render
color("WhiteSmoke")
    battery_scaffold();

// Optional: show ghost cells for reference
%for (pos = positions)
    for (row = [0 : rows - 1])
        translate([pos[0], pos[1], row * cell_len + 1])
            color("SteelBlue", 0.3)
                cylinder(d = cell_d, h = cell_len - 2);

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eonist commented Mar 13, 2026

This is a comprehensive topic. Here's everything you need to think about for the scaffold/pack design, broken into categories.

1. Structural / Vibration

This is the #1 killer of DIY packs — road vibration breaks solder joints and nickel strips over time.bike-eu+1

Cell retention: Each cell must be held snugly with zero rattle. The scaffold pockets should have a slight interference fit or use silicone friction rings at each end.
Anti-vibration padding: A thin foam or silicone liner (1–2mm) between the scaffold outer wall and the steel DT inner wall absorbs road shock.[electricbike]
Nickel strip stress relief: Where nickel strips connect cells end-to-end, allow a slight "S-bend" or loop so the strip can flex without cracking under vibration.
Axial retention: Cells must not slide forward/backward under braking or acceleration. End caps or retention clips at both ends of each channel.

2. Thermal Management

At 360Wh and 250W continuous draw, your pack isn't generating extreme heat — but Oslo winters and summer sun are real.endless-sphere+1

Air gaps: The scaffold should leave ~1mm clearance between the cage outer and the DT inner wall. This acts as a passive air channel — convection moves heat toward the DT steel, which radiates it away.
Thermal conductivity: The steel DT itself is your heatsink. Steel conducts heat well enough for a 250W load. No active cooling needed at this power level.[endless-sphere]
Cell-to-cell spacing: The 0.5mm gap between cells in the 2×2 grid lets air circulate between cells and prevents thermal cascading if one cell gets warm.[bike-eu]
Operating range: BMS should cut off below −10°C and above 60°C. Samsung 50S is rated −20°C to 60°C for discharge.[gebbattery]
Cold weather: Your removable cartridge design already solves this — user brings the pack inside overnight in Oslo winter, installs warm.

3. Weather / Moisture / IP Rating

The pack lives inside a sealed steel tube with a laser-cut cover and gasket, so the primary weather barrier is the frame itself.[bike-eu]

IP rating target: The frame enclosure should achieve IP54 minimum (splash-proof) — gasket around the laser-cut cover plate, rubber grommets on all cable exit holes.
Drainage: Small drain slot at the lowest point of the DT (near BB) so condensation can escape, not pool around cells.[alibaba]
Conformal coating: Spray the BMS PCB and all solder joints with conformal coating (silicone or acrylic). Cheap, takes 5 minutes, protects against humidity and condensation.[bike-eu]
No potting: Don't pot the cells in epoxy/resin — it makes the pack non-serviceable and traps heat. The scaffold + steel tube is enough protection.[bike-eu]

4. Electrical Safety

Cell-level fusing: Each cell should have a fuse wire or fusible nickel strip on its positive terminal. If one cell shorts internally, only that cell's fuse blows — the rest of the pack stays safe.gov+1
BMS requirements: 10S BMS with overcurrent, overvoltage, undervoltage, short-circuit, and temperature cutoff. Must cut both charge and discharge.[neogy]
Insulation: All exposed nickel strips and bus bars must be covered with fish paper or Kapton tape. No bare metal should be accessible when the pack is assembled.[ascom]
Wire gauge: Main power leads sized for 25A minimum (12AWG silicone wire).

5. Certification Standards

For EU market launch, EN 50604-1 is the one you need. It became mandatory in August 2025 for 250W pedelec batteries. Key tests include vibration, thermal cycling, overcharge, short circuit, and crush resistance.[neogy]

6. Scaffold Design Checklist

Putting it all together for the printed cage:

Material: Nylon PA12 or PETG (flame-retardant grade, UL94 V-0 rated if possible).
Pocket fit: 21.5mm ID (snug on 21mm cell, no rattle).
End retention: Clip or lip at both ends of each channel — cells can't slide out under braking.
Cross ribs: Every 70mm (at cell boundaries) — structural + prevents cells from bowing.
Drain slots: Bottom of cage, small cutouts every ~100mm.
Foam liner: 1mm closed-cell foam wrap around cage exterior for vibration damping + thermal insulation from extreme cold.
No glue on cells: Cells must remain removable. Scaffold holds them mechanically only.
Fish paper dividers: Between parallel cells (left pair / right pair) for electrical isolation.
Fused nickel strips: Per-cell fusing on positive terminals.
Conformal-coated BMS: Mounted on aluminium endcap, coated against humidity.

This gets you a pack that's safe, serviceable, weather-resistant, and on the path to EN 50604-1 certification.neogy+1

This is a comprehensive topic. Here's everything you need to think about for the scaffold/pack design, broken into categories.

1. Structural / Vibration

This is the #1 killer of DIY packs — road vibration breaks solder joints and nickel strips over time. bike-eu

Cell retention: Each cell must be held snugly with zero rattle. The scaffold pockets should have a slight interference fit or use silicone friction rings at each end.
Anti-vibration padding: A thin foam or silicone liner (1–2mm) between the scaffold outer wall and the steel DT inner wall absorbs road shock. [electricbike](https://www.electricbike.com/make-it-last-baby-best-practices-for-lithium-ebike-batteries/)
Nickel strip stress relief: Where nickel strips connect cells end-to-end, allow a slight "S-bend" or loop so the strip can flex without cracking under vibration.
Axial retention: Cells must not slide forward/backward under braking or acceleration. End caps or retention clips at both ends of each channel.

2. Thermal Management

At 360Wh and 250W continuous draw, your pack isn't generating extreme heat — but Oslo winters and summer sun are real. endless-sphere

Air gaps: The scaffold should leave ~1mm clearance between the cage outer and the DT inner wall. This acts as a passive air channel — convection moves heat toward the DT steel, which radiates it away.
Thermal conductivity: The steel DT itself is your heatsink. Steel conducts heat well enough for a 250W load. No active cooling needed at this power level. [endless-sphere](https://endless-sphere.com/sphere/threads/e-bike-and-pev-battery-pack-thermal-design-optimizations-a-semi-technical-research-and-implementation-thread.129470/)
Cell-to-cell spacing: The 0.5mm gap between cells in the 2×2 grid lets air circulate between cells and prevents thermal cascading if one cell gets warm. [bike-eu](https://www.bike-eu.com/45630/johnson-matthey-battery-systems-critical-factors-in-the-design-of-e-bike-batteries)
Operating range: BMS should cut off below −10°C and above 60°C. Samsung 50S is rated −20°C to 60°C for discharge. [gebbattery](https://www.gebbattery.com/news/7-best-practices-to-protect-your-e-bike-batter-80577360.html)
Cold weather: Your removable cartridge design already solves this — user brings the pack inside overnight in Oslo winter, installs warm.

3. Weather / Moisture / IP Rating

The pack lives inside a sealed steel tube with a laser-cut cover and gasket, so the primary weather barrier is the frame itself. [bike-eu](https://www.bike-eu.com/45630/johnson-matthey-battery-systems-critical-factors-in-the-design-of-e-bike-batteries)

IP rating target: The frame enclosure should achieve IP54 minimum (splash-proof) — gasket around the laser-cut cover plate, rubber grommets on all cable exit holes.
Drainage: Small drain slot at the lowest point of the DT (near BB) so condensation can escape, not pool around cells. [alibaba](https://www.alibaba.com/product-insights/21700-battery-box-waterproof.html)
Conformal coating: Spray the BMS PCB and all solder joints with conformal coating (silicone or acrylic). Cheap, takes 5 minutes, protects against humidity and condensation. [bike-eu](https://www.bike-eu.com/45630/johnson-matthey-battery-systems-critical-factors-in-the-design-of-e-bike-batteries)
No potting: Don't pot the cells in epoxy/resin — it makes the pack non-serviceable and traps heat. The scaffold + steel tube is enough protection. [bike-eu](https://www.bike-eu.com/45630/johnson-matthey-battery-systems-critical-factors-in-the-design-of-e-bike-batteries)

4. Electrical Safety

Cell-level fusing: Each cell should have a fuse wire or fusible nickel strip on its positive terminal. If one cell shorts internally, only that cell's fuse blows — the rest of the pack stays safe. gov
BMS requirements: 10S BMS with overcurrent, overvoltage, undervoltage, short-circuit, and temperature cutoff. Must cut both charge and discharge. [neogy](https://neogy.fr/en/news/news-nf-en-506041-standard-ebikes/)
Insulation: All exposed nickel strips and bus bars must be covered with fish paper or Kapton tape. No bare metal should be accessible when the pack is assembled. [ascom](https://www.ascom.com/globalassets/assets/global/public-information/declaration-of-conformity-batteries/660733-battery-pack-for-sh4/sz22100217d01_liwinon_685261_iec62133_2-2017-amd12021.pdf)
Wire gauge: Main power leads sized for 25A minimum (12AWG silicone wire).

5. Certification Standards

Standard	Scope	Required?	Key Tests
EN 50604-1	EU ebike battery safety	Mandatory from Aug 2025 for 250W pedelecs	Overcharge, short circuit, crush, vibration, thermal [neogy](https://neogy.fr/en/news/news-nf-en-506041-standard-ebikes/)
EN 15194	EU pedelec system standard	Yes, references EN 50604-1	System-level including battery [neogy](https://neogy.fr/en/news/news-nf-en-506041-standard-ebikes/)
UL 2271	Battery safety (US/global)	Required for US market	Drop, vibration, overcharge, forced discharge, thermal abuse momentum-biking
UL 2849	Complete ebike system (US)	Includes UL 2271	Whole bike + battery + charger momentum-biking
UN 38.3	Lithium battery transport	Yes, for shipping	Altitude, thermal, vibration, shock, short circuit [ascom](https://www.ascom.com/globalassets/assets/global/public-information/declaration-of-conformity-batteries/660733-battery-pack-for-sh4/sz22100217d01_liwinon_685261_iec62133_2-2017-amd12021.pdf)

6. Scaffold Design Checklist

Putting it all together for the printed cage:

Material: Nylon PA12 or PETG (flame-retardant grade, UL94 V-0 rated if possible).
Pocket fit: 21.5mm ID (snug on 21mm cell, no rattle).
End retention: Clip or lip at both ends of each channel — cells can't slide out under braking.
Cross ribs: Every 70mm (at cell boundaries) — structural + prevents cells from bowing.
Drain slots: Bottom of cage, small cutouts every ~100mm.
Foam liner: 1mm closed-cell foam wrap around cage exterior for vibration damping + thermal insulation from extreme cold.
No glue on cells: Cells must remain removable. Scaffold holds them mechanically only.
Fish paper dividers: Between parallel cells (left pair / right pair) for electrical isolation.
Fused nickel strips: Per-cell fusing on positive terminals.
Conformal-coated BMS: Mounted on aluminium endcap, coated against humidity.

This gets you a pack that's safe, serviceable, weather-resistant, and on the path to EN 50604-1 certification. neogy

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eonist commented Mar 13, 2026

You're right — and that's an important contradiction I glossed over. If you spot-weld nickel strips to the cells, they're notindividually swappable anymore. That kills your core story.

So the scaffold needs to use contact-based connections, not welded strips. At your power level (250W / 36V = ~7A pack current, ~3.5A per cell in 2P), this is totally viable.

Options for tool-free cell swap

At 3.5A per cell, even basic spring contacts (like AA battery holders use) work fine. The heat generated at 20mΩ and 3.5A is only ~0.25W per contact — negligible.[endless-sphere]

How the scaffold changes

Instead of nickel strips connecting cells, the scaffold itself becomes the electrical backbone:

Each pocket has a spring contact at one end and a flat contact pad at the other — cell drops in, positive nub hits the spring, flat negative sits on the pad.
Contacts are wired into the scaffold with thin copper bus wires running along the channels, forming the 10S2P network.
The bus wires are soldered to the contacts, not to the cells. Cells are purely mechanical drop-ins.
Fish paper / Kapton still goes between parallel cell pairs — but as part of the scaffold walls, not wrapped on the cells.

What this means for the user

Open DT cover.
Slide out the scaffold cartridge.
Pop out old cells (push from one end, spring releases).
Drop in new 21700s from any source, observing polarity (nub = positive end toward spring).
Slide cartridge back in. Done.

No spot welder, no soldering, no tools. The scaffold + contacts are permanent; only the bare cells get swapped.

The certification catch

EN 50604-1 doesn't ban spring contacts — it tests the assembled pack for vibration, shock, short circuit, etc. Your pack just needs to pass those tests with spring contacts under vibration. That means:[neogy]

Springs must maintain contact under 4G vibration (the EN test level).
Each cell must stay captive — no rattling loose.
Short circuit protection: the BMS handles this, not the contacts.

A well-designed spring holder passes this. Plenty of professional battery systems (medical devices, military radios) use spring contacts at higher currents than yours and pass MIL-STD vibration testing.

So: ditch the nickel strips entirely, design the scaffold with integrated spring contacts, and your "cells from any hardware store" story stays intact while still being certifiable.

You're right — and that's an important contradiction I glossed over. If you spot-weld nickel strips to the cells, they're **not** individually swappable anymore. That kills your core story.

So the scaffold needs to use contact-based connections, not welded strips. At your power level (250W / 36V = ~7A pack current, ~3.5A per cell in 2P), this is totally viable.

Options for tool-free cell swap

Method	Contact Resistance	Max Current	User-Swappable	Cost
Spring contacts (like a flashlight)	~10–20 mΩ	Fine at 3.5A/cell	✓ Drop-in, drop-out	Cheap
Compression plates (flat spring + pad)	~5–15 mΩ	Good	✓ Slide in, spring holds	Cheap
Pogo pins (gold-tipped)	~5 mΩ	Excellent	✓ Very clean	€1–2/pin
Spot-welded nickel strips	~1 mΩ	Best	✗ Needs tools	Cheapest

At 3.5A per cell, even basic spring contacts (like AA battery holders use) work fine. The heat generated at 20mΩ and 3.5A is only ~0.25W per contact — negligible. [endless-sphere](https://endless-sphere.com/sphere/threads/e-bike-and-pev-battery-pack-thermal-design-optimizations-a-semi-technical-research-and-implementation-thread.129470/)

How the scaffold changes

Instead of nickel strips connecting cells, the scaffold itself becomes the electrical backbone:

Each pocket has a spring contact at one end and a flat contact pad at the other — cell drops in, positive nub hits the spring, flat negative sits on the pad.
Contacts are wired into the scaffold with thin copper bus wires running along the channels, forming the 10S2P network.
The bus wires are soldered to the contacts, not to the cells. Cells are purely mechanical drop-ins.
Fish paper / Kapton still goes between parallel cell pairs — but as part of the scaffold walls, not wrapped on the cells.

What this means for the user

Open DT cover.
Slide out the scaffold cartridge.
Pop out old cells (push from one end, spring releases).
Drop in new 21700s from any source, observing polarity (nub = positive end toward spring).
Slide cartridge back in. Done.

No spot welder, no soldering, no tools. The scaffold + contacts are permanent; only the bare cells get swapped.

The certification catch

Springs must maintain contact under 4G vibration (the EN test level).
Each cell must stay captive — no rattling loose.
Short circuit protection: the BMS handles this, not the contacts.

So: ditch the nickel strips entirely, design the scaffold with integrated spring contacts, and your "cells from any hardware store" story stays intact while still being certifiable.

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eonist commented Mar 13, 2026

Good question — the answer is one spring per channel works, exactly like a flashlight.

Flashlight-style stacking

In each channel, 5 cells sit end-to-end in series:


text
[spring] → [cell 1 +−] → [cell 2 +−] → [cell 3 +−] → [cell 4 +−] → [cell 5 +−] → [flat contact]

One spring at the front end pushes the entire stack together.
Cells naturally make contact: positive nub of one cell presses against flat negative of the next.
One flat contact pad at the back end closes the circuit.
The spring tension keeps all 5 cells compressed and in contact, even under vibration.

That's 2 contacts per channel (1 spring + 1 pad), not 10. For 4 channels: 4 springs + 4 pads = 8 contact points total.

Per-cell fusing: separate concern

Per-cell fusing is about short-circuit safety, not about springs. Two approaches:

At your current level (250W motor, 7A pack draw, 3.5A per cell in 2P), the BMS alone handles overcurrent protection adequately. Per-cell fusing is best practice for high-power packs (20A+), but at your level it's optional.[neogy]

If you do want it later, you just drop small fuse washers into slots molded into the scaffold between each cell position — still no welding, still user-swappable.

So the scaffold simplifies to

4 channels, each with 1 spring + 1 contact pad.
Cells drop in like a flashlight magazine.
Bus wires soldered to the 8 contact points (permanent part of scaffold).
BMS wired to the bus at the appropriate tap points for 10S2P balancing.
Zero welding to cells. Zero tools needed for cell swap.

Good question — the answer is **one spring per channel works**, exactly like a flashlight.

Flashlight-style stacking

In each channel, 5 cells sit end-to-end in series:

[spring] → [cell 1 +−] → [cell 2 +−] → [cell 3 +−] → [cell 4 +−] → [cell 5 +−] → [flat contact]

One spring at the front end pushes the entire stack together.
Cells naturally make contact: positive nub of one cell presses against flat negative of the next.
One flat contact pad at the back end closes the circuit.
The spring tension keeps all 5 cells compressed and in contact, even under vibration.

That's 2 contacts per channel (1 spring + 1 pad), not 10. For 4 channels: 4 springs + 4 pads = 8 contact points total.

Per-cell fusing: separate concern

Per-cell fusing is about short-circuit safety, not about springs. Two approaches:

Approach	How	User-swappable?
No per-cell fuse (BMS only)	BMS cuts entire pack on overcurrent. Simpler. Fine at 3.5A/cell.	✓ Fully drop-in
Fuse disc between cells	Thin washer-shaped fuse (~5A) sits between each cell contact point. Blows if one cell shorts.	✓ Still drop-in, fuse disc sits in the scaffold slot, not welded to cell

If you do want it later, you just drop small fuse washers into slots molded into the scaffold between each cell position — still no welding, still user-swappable.

So the scaffold simplifies to

4 channels, each with 1 spring + 1 contact pad.
Cells drop in like a flashlight magazine.
Bus wires soldered to the 8 contact points (permanent part of scaffold).
BMS wired to the bus at the appropriate tap points for 10S2P balancing.
Zero welding to cells. Zero tools needed for cell swap.

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eonist commented Mar 13, 2026

You're right — if cells stack end-to-end and slide in from one opening, there's no way to insert a washer between them without breaking the drop-in flow.

So: skip per-cell fusing entirely. At 3.5A per cell, the BMS handles everything. No washers, no fuse strips, nothing between cells.

Each channel is literally:

[spring] → [cell][cell][cell][cell][cell] → [pad]

Cells touch each other directly, positive nub to flat negative, just like loading batteries into a flashlight. Drop in 5 cells, spring compresses the stack, done.

The only safety layer is the BMS — overcurrent, overvoltage, undervoltage, short circuit, temperature — all handled at the pack level, not per cell. That's completely fine at your power draw. [neogy](https://neogy.fr/en/news/news-nf-en-506041-standard-ebikes/)

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eonist commented Mar 13, 2026

yeah. each battery tube just has a flashlight cap. just like a maglight. you screw it in. Tighten it with a coin so it goes flush. can be all plastic I suppose? silicon ring in the plastic cap would keep it in place even under vibration over long time. also works as a weather seal. you only access this hatchet every 5 years or so when you change bats. its not something you open every day. we could add a thin teflon like tape inside each bat tube, that would reduce rattling, but not make the bats so tight that they would not slide out with gravity when needing to be replaced. wiring could go into the center of the cage in a long hole. I added a render of the scad you made earlier. I think we could iterate that design. just add screw-in caps and seal the bottom and add the pads there. and add a hole in the center that connects it all. the spring caps would connect to touchpoint just like a maglight. injection molding could have screw cap moulding part. that unscrew when mold is done. so groves are made when molding. the rest is just cylinder that goes with the mold cap sort of.

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eonist commented Mar 13, 2026

Here's the updated scaffold . Here's what changed from v1:

What's in v2

4 channel tubes (2×2 grid, same as your render):

Thin-walled cylinders, bore sized for 21mm cell + 0.3mm PTFE liner + sliding clearance = ~21.9mm ID.
Cells slide in/out with gravity. PTFE liner reduces rattle without gripping.

Bottom plate (sealed base):

Solid plate that hulls around all 4 tubes — closes the bottom.
4 spring contact pad recesses (10mm diameter, 2mm deep) — this is where the flat contact pads sit, just like the bottom of a Maglite.
Central wire hole passes through.

Screw-in caps (Maglite style, print 4×):

Threaded plastic cap that screws into the top of each channel.
Coin slot on top — tighten flush with a coin, no tools.
O-ring groove on the skirt — silicone ring seals against moisture and holds under vibration.
Spring contact nub on the inside face — presses against the positive terminal of the top cell, compresses the stack downward onto the bottom pad.

Central wiring channel (6mm hole):

Runs the full length through the center of the 2×2 grid.
Carries bus wires and BMS balance taps from the contact pads/springs to the electronics below.

Cross ribs at every 70mm (cell boundary):

Structural bridges between adjacent tubes — keeps the scaffold rigid without being solid.

Assembly sequence

Slide PTFE liner into each channel (friction fit, stays permanently).
Drop 5 cells into each channel from the top, positive-nub up.
Screw in the 4 caps — spring nub compresses stack onto bottom pad.
Tighten flush with a coin. O-ring seals it.
Whole scaffold slides into the DT as one unit.

Injection molding notes

The screw cap threads are made with an unscrewing core in the mold — standard technique for bottle caps, Maglite bodies, etc. [richfieldsplastics](https://richfieldsplastics.com/blog/considerations-for-battery-pack-mold-making/)
The main body pulls straight out of a two-part mold along the tube axis — channels are just core pins.
The bottom plate is the parting line — mold splits there.
Only the O-ring groove on the cap is a minor undercut, easily handled by the unscrewing core.

Drop it into OpenSCAD and send me a screenshot — the thread profile is simplified (stacked rings instead of true helix), so it'll look approximate but the dimensions are correct for printing.

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